The direct appeal is the first, and often the most important, opportunity to challenge a federal conviction or sentence after trial. It is a defendant’s appeal as of right — a review by a higher court of what happened in the district court. For a person who has been convicted, the direct appeal is where the case is examined, fresh eyes are brought to the record, and legal errors are tested.
Direct appeals sit at the core of our practice. Our principal attorney, Elizabeth Franklin-Best, has served as counsel in more than 100 federal appeals and over 330 federal proceedings in all, appearing in every one of the twelve regional circuits and before the United States Supreme Court at the certiorari stage — including the published Fourth Circuit sentencing appeal United States v. Slager, 912 F.3d 224 (4th Cir. 2019), which turned on the very standards of review this guide explains. Best Lawyers in America 2026 names her a “Best Lawyer” in Appellate Practice, and Chambers USA 2026 ranks the firm in Litigation: White-Collar Crime & Government Investigations. She is admitted to the Supreme Court of the United States and all twelve federal circuit courts of appeals, appears pro hac vice in district courts from Montana to Florida, and wrote Reversing Your Criminal Conviction — a practitioner’s guide to the work this page describes. Together with Managing Director Christopher Zoukis, we put that appellate depth behind every direct appeal we take. The direct appeal rests on 28 U.S.C. § 1291 and the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.
This guide explains the federal direct appeal in depth — the right and the deadline, the notice of appeal, the record, appeal waivers, preserved and unpreserved error, the standards of review, the briefing, oral argument, the decision, the realistic outcomes, and how the direct appeal relates to later post-conviction proceedings. If you have been convicted in federal court, this guide explains the road ahead.
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Quick Answer
| Question | Answer |
|---|---|
| What is a direct appeal? | The appeal of a federal conviction or sentence to the U.S. Court of Appeals, taken as of right directly from the district court’s judgment. |
| What is the deadline? | Under Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 4(b), the notice of appeal must generally be filed in the district court within 14 days after entry of the judgment. |
| What is the record on appeal? | The transcripts, filings, and exhibits from the district court. An appeal is generally confined to what is in the record. |
| Does an appeal waiver bar my appeal? | Often, but not always. Waivers are generally enforced if knowing and voluntary, but they have exceptions and a defined scope. |
| Can I raise errors no one objected to at trial? | Sometimes — but only under the demanding four-part plain-error standard of United States v. Olano. |
| What can a direct appeal achieve? | The court may affirm, reverse, or vacate and remand for a new trial, resentencing, or other relief — sometimes partially. |
Key Takeaways
- A direct appeal is the defendant’s appeal as of right from a federal conviction or sentence to the U.S. Court of Appeals.
- The notice of appeal must generally be filed within 14 days of the judgment — preserve the appeal first, evaluate it second.
- Counsel must file a requested notice of appeal even when there is an appeal waiver — Garza v. Idaho presumes prejudice when counsel refuses.
- An appeal is decided on the record from the district court; off-record issues generally cannot be raised.
- An appeal waiver in a plea agreement may limit an appeal, but waivers have exceptions and a defined scope.
- Preserved errors get favorable harmless-error review; unpreserved errors face the demanding plain-error standard.
- Standards of review — de novo, clear error, abuse of discretion — often determine an issue before the merits.
- Federal appeals are won on the briefs; disciplined issue selection and rigorous writing are essential.
- The direct appeal handles record-based issues; off-record claims like ineffective assistance are generally for a later 2255 motion.
What Is a Direct Appeal?
A direct appeal is the appeal of a federal conviction or sentence to the United States Court of Appeals — taken directly from the judgment of the district court. It is the defendant’s appeal as of right: a convicted defendant is entitled to one direct appeal, and the court of appeals must hear it.
The direct appeal is governed by 28 U.S.C. § 1291, which gives the courts of appeals jurisdiction over appeals from the final decisions of the district courts, and by the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure, which set out how an appeal is taken and conducted. The appeal goes to the court of appeals for the circuit in which the district court sits — one of the twelve regional circuits.
What the direct appeal does is review the case for legal error. The court of appeals reads the record of the trial and the proceedings, considers the written briefs, and decides whether errors occurred that require relief. It does not retry the case. It does not hear the witnesses again. It asks a different question — not “was the defendant guilty?” but “did the district court get the law right?”
The Deadline and the Notice of Appeal
The single most urgent fact about a direct appeal is the deadline. Under Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 4(b)(1)(A), the notice of appeal in a criminal case must be filed in the district court within 14 days after the entry of the judgment or order being appealed (or within 14 days after the government files its own notice of appeal). If a defendant misses the window, Rule 4(b)(4) allows the district court to extend the time by up to 30 additional days on a showing of excusable neglect or good cause — a discretionary safety valve, not a guarantee.
The notice of appeal itself is a short, simple document — but filing it on time is what starts the appeal and preserves the right to it. Fourteen days is a brief window, and it runs from the entry of the judgment, not from when the defendant decides to appeal. Missing the deadline can forfeit the direct appeal entirely, and the only safe course is to file on time.
What if the deadline passes anyway? The law here has been moving. In United States v. Harris, No. 22-2717 (2d Cir. Jan. 14, 2026), a Second Circuit panel held that Rule 4(b)’s time limits are claim-processing rules, not jurisdictional requirements — meaning the government can forfeit a timeliness objection it fails to raise. In Harris itself, the government overlooked a notice of appeal filed nearly three years late, and the court refused to let it invoke the deadline afterward. That ruling matters for defendants whose appeals slipped past the deadline, but no one should plan around government forfeiture: when the government does object to an untimely criminal appeal, the courts treat Rule 4(b) as mandatory and dismiss. The deadline still governs the case in every way that can be controlled.
Because of this deadline, a defendant who is even considering an appeal should act immediately after sentencing. If there is any doubt, the notice of appeal should be filed to preserve the right — the decision whether to pursue the appeal in full can be made afterward. A defendant who tells trial counsel to file a notice of appeal is entitled to have that done. The Supreme Court made the point emphatically in Garza v. Idaho, 586 U.S. 232 (2019): when a defendant instructs counsel to file a notice of appeal, counsel performs deficiently by refusing — even if the defendant signed an appeal waiver — and prejudice is presumed, because the failure deprives the defendant of the appellate proceeding itself. A lawyer’s view that the appeal looks weak, or that a waiver bars it, is no excuse for not filing the notice.
Applied Insight: The most heartbreaking appellate calls are the ones that come after the 14 days have run. Strong issues, a sympathetic record — and no timely notice of appeal. The lesson is simple and absolute: preserve the appeal first, evaluate it second. Filing the notice commits a defendant to nothing except keeping the door open.
The Record on Appeal
An appeal is decided on the record — the complete set of materials from the district court proceedings. After the notice of appeal is filed, the record is assembled and transmitted to the court of appeals.
The record includes the transcripts of the proceedings — the trial, the hearings, the sentencing — along with the filings, the exhibits, and the docket. The transcripts are central, and obtaining complete, accurate transcripts is one of the first tasks of an appeal. An appellate lawyer cannot evaluate the issues, and certainly cannot brief them, without the full record in hand.
The record also defines the boundaries of the appeal. As a general rule, an appeal can only address what is in the record — what was said, ruled, and done in the district court. Issues that depend on facts outside the record generally cannot be raised on direct appeal. This is why the direct appeal and post-conviction proceedings are different tracks: the direct appeal works within the record, while certain claims that require facts beyond it are reserved for later proceedings.
Appeal Waivers in Plea Agreements
For a defendant who was convicted by a guilty plea, an early and important question is whether the plea agreement contained an appeal waiver — and what that waiver covers.
Most federal plea agreements include a waiver of the right to appeal, and many also waive the right to bring a later collateral challenge. Courts generally enforce these waivers when they were entered knowingly and voluntarily. But the waivers are not absolute. Courts have recognized exceptions — for example, where the plea or the waiver itself was not knowing and voluntary, where the sentence exceeds the statutory maximum, where the sentence rests on an impermissible factor such as race, or where the claim is that counsel was ineffective in negotiating the plea or the waiver. Several circuits also decline to enforce a waiver where doing so would work a miscarriage of justice — the formulations vary by circuit, which is one reason waiver analysis is circuit-specific work.
Two practical points follow. First, no waiver is self-executing: the government must invoke it, and the court of appeals must agree that it applies to the issue raised. Second, as Garza v. Idaho confirms, a waiver never excuses counsel from filing a requested notice of appeal, because even broad waivers leave some claims open — the validity of the plea itself, for instance, is almost never waivable by the very agreement being challenged.
Just as important, appeal waivers have a scope, and not everything is necessarily waived. Some waivers preserve the right to appeal an above-Guidelines sentence; some preserve specific issues; some are broader. Analyzing the waiver — whether it is enforceable, whether an exception applies, and exactly what it does and does not cover — is one of the first steps in evaluating an appeal after a guilty plea. Our guide to federal plea agreements explains these waivers in more detail.
Preserved and Unpreserved Error
One distinction shapes nearly every issue on appeal: whether the error was preserved in the district court.
An error is preserved when it was brought to the district court’s attention — when counsel objected, made the argument, or otherwise raised the issue at the time. A preserved error is reviewed under a standard favorable to the appellant: the appellate court will generally reverse unless the error was harmless. An error is unpreserved — or “forfeited” — when it was not raised below. An unpreserved error is reviewed only for plain error, a much more demanding standard. Preservation does not require magic words: in Holguin-Hernandez v. United States, 589 U.S. 169 (2020), the Supreme Court held that a defendant who argues in the district court for a shorter sentence has, by doing so, preserved an appellate challenge to the length of the sentence imposed — no separate, after-the-fact objection is required. What matters is that the district court was given a fair chance to address the issue.
Plain-error review asks far more of the appellant. The controlling framework comes from United States v. Olano, 507 U.S. 725 (1993): the appellant must show (1) an error, (2) that is clear or obvious, (3) that affected the appellant’s substantial rights — ordinarily, a reasonable probability that the outcome would have been different — and (4) that seriously affected the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of judicial proceedings, the discretionary fourth prong on which many otherwise-plain errors founder. And the burden sits squarely on the defendant: in Greer v. United States, 593 U.S. 503 (2021), the Supreme Court emphasized that the appellant must carry the burden on the substantial-rights prong, rejecting plain-error relief where the defendant could not show a reasonable probability of a different result. Meeting this standard is difficult — which is why preservation in the district court matters so much, and why the quality of trial-level representation directly shapes what an appeal can achieve.
Applied Insight: Appellate outcomes are often decided in the trial court, long before the appeal is filed. An objection made — or not made — at trial can be the difference between favorable harmless-error review and the steep climb of plain error. A careful appellate lawyer reads the record not only for what went wrong, but for where and how each issue was preserved, because that determines the standard, and the standard often determines the appeal.
The Standards of Review
The standard of review is the lens through which the appellate court examines each issue. It defines how much deference the district court’s decision receives — and it frequently determines the outcome of an issue before the merits are even reached.
- De novo review applies to questions of law. The appellate court decides the question independently, with no deference to the district court. This is the most favorable standard for an appellant.
- Clear-error review applies to findings of fact. The appellate court accepts the finding unless it is left with a definite and firm conviction that a mistake was made — a deferential standard.
- Abuse-of-discretion review applies to discretionary decisions, such as many evidentiary rulings. The appellate court can affirm even a decision it would not itself have made.
- Harmless-error review applies to preserved errors. Even a real error does not require reversal if it did not affect the outcome.
- Plain-error review applies to unpreserved errors and is the most demanding standard, as described above.
Sentences have their own review framework. Under Gall v. United States, 552 U.S. 38 (2007), the court of appeals reviews a federal sentence for abuse of discretion in two steps: first for significant procedural error — miscalculating the Guidelines range, treating the Guidelines as mandatory, failing to consider the 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a) factors, relying on clearly erroneous facts, or failing to explain the sentence — and then for substantive reasonableness in light of the totality of the circumstances. Our guide to the grounds for a federal appeal examines sentencing challenges in depth.
Effective appellate work begins with matching each issue to its standard of review. An issue reviewed de novo is on far stronger footing than the same issue reviewed for plain error or abuse of discretion. Identifying the right standard — and framing each argument to fit it — is foundational appellate craft.
Harmless Error and Structural Error
Even a preserved, fully established error does not automatically win an appeal. The next question is almost always whether the error was harmless — and the answer depends on what kind of error it was.
For most errors that occur during the presentation of a case — what the Supreme Court calls “trial errors” — the appellate court asks whether the error actually mattered to the outcome. When the error is of constitutional dimension and was preserved, the standard comes from Chapman v. California, 386 U.S. 18 (1967): the conviction stands only if the court can declare a belief that the error was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt, and the burden of making that showing rests on the government as the beneficiary of the error. For ordinary non-constitutional errors, the question is whether the error affected the defendant’s substantial rights. Either way, harmlessness is where many appeals are won or lost — the fight is not just over whether the district court erred, but over whether the government can prove the error did not drive the verdict or the sentence.
A small class of errors is different. In Arizona v. Fulminante, 499 U.S. 279 (1991), the Supreme Court distinguished trial errors, which can be quantitatively assessed against the rest of the evidence, from structural defects — constitutional deprivations that affect the framework within which the trial proceeds and therefore “defy analysis” under harmless-error standards. Structural errors require reversal without any harmlessness inquiry. The recognized examples are few but fundamental: the total denial of counsel, a biased judge, racial exclusion in the selection of the grand jury, denial of the right to self-representation, and denial of a public trial.
For the appellate lawyer, the classification is strategic terrain. An issue that can fairly be framed as structural escapes the harmlessness battle entirely; an issue framed as trial error must be briefed with the record-specific showing of prejudice in mind from the first page.
Briefing and Oral Argument
The heart of a direct appeal is the briefing. Federal appeals are won and lost primarily on the written word, and the appellate brief is the most important document in the case.
The appellant files an opening brief, which states the issues, presents the facts and the record accurately, and argues the law — issue by issue, each framed against its standard of review. The government files a response brief, and the appellant may file a reply addressing the government’s arguments. A strong opening brief does several things at once: it selects the issues with discipline, it tells the court a clear and credible story of the record, and it makes the legal argument rigorously and honestly.
Issue selection is itself an art. A brief that raises every conceivable argument dilutes the strong issues among the weak ones. Experienced appellate lawyers are selective — they identify the issues that genuinely have a chance and devote the brief’s force to them. After briefing, the court may schedule oral argument, a focused, time-limited exchange in which the judges question the lawyers about the case. Oral argument is an opportunity to answer the court’s concerns directly, but the brief remains the foundation.
Our guide to the federal appellate process and brief writing goes deeper into how briefing and argument work.
The Decision and Possible Outcomes
After briefing and any oral argument, the court of appeals issues a written decision. The decision resolves the issues raised and explains the court’s reasoning.
The possible outcomes fall into a few categories. The court may affirm, leaving the conviction and sentence intact. It may reverse a conviction. It may vacate a conviction or sentence and remand the case to the district court — which, depending on the error, can mean a new trial, a resentencing, or other corrective proceedings. The relief can be complete or partial: an appeal may, for example, leave a conviction standing but require resentencing, or vacate one count while affirming others.
A defendant who loses in the court of appeals has further options. The losing party may seek rehearing — asking the panel to reconsider, or asking the full court to hear the case en banc — and may petition the United States Supreme Court for review by a writ of certiorari. Our guide to petitioning the Supreme Court explains that final step.
It is important to be realistic. Most convictions are affirmed on direct appeal. But meritorious appeals succeed, partial victories are real victories, and a resentencing or a vacated count can change a person’s life. The right approach is neither false optimism nor premature surrender — it is a candid, issue-by-issue evaluation of what the record actually supports.
What Happens on Remand
Winning the appeal is not the end of the case — it is usually the beginning of a new phase in the district court. When the court of appeals vacates a conviction or sentence and remands, its mandate defines what the district court can and must do next. Understanding that scope is part of evaluating what an appeal is really worth.
Remands come in two basic forms. A general remand returns the case for plenary proceedings — a full resentencing, or a new trial — with the district court free to start fresh on everything the mandate does not foreclose. A limited remand sends the case back for a specific, defined purpose, such as correcting a single Guidelines ruling or making a particular finding, and the district court must stay within those lines. Which form the court of appeals chooses can matter as much as the win itself.
At a full resentencing, the slate is largely clean. In Pepper v. United States, 562 U.S. 476 (2011), the Supreme Court held that when a sentence has been set aside on appeal, the district court at resentencing may consider evidence of the defendant’s post-sentencing rehabilitation — and that such evidence can support a downward variance from the advisory Guidelines range. The Court also held that a general remand wipes the sentencing slate clean: the law-of-the-case doctrine did not bind the resentencing court to the percentage departure granted the first time. For a client who has used the years during the appeal well — programming, work, education, sobriety — Pepper turns that record into sentencing evidence.
Remand is also where appellate counsel and the resentencing strategy have to work together. The arguments preserved on appeal, the issues the mandate leaves open, and the record built since the original sentencing all feed into the new hearing. We treat remand proceedings as a continuation of the appeal, not an afterthought.
The Direct Appeal and What Comes After
The direct appeal is the first stage of review, and it is important to understand how it fits with what may come after.
The direct appeal handles issues that appear in the record. Some serious claims — most notably ineffective assistance of trial counsel — typically depend on facts outside the trial record and generally cannot be resolved on direct appeal. Those claims are usually raised later, through a post-conviction motion under 28 U.S.C. § 2255. The direct appeal and the 2255 motion are distinct proceedings, and a 2255 motion is not a substitute for a direct appeal — generally, issues that could have been raised on direct appeal must be raised there.
Timing also connects them. The conclusion of the direct appeal process is what makes a conviction “final,” and finality starts the one-year clock for filing a 2255 motion. Under Clay v. United States, 537 U.S. 522 (2003), when a defendant does not petition the Supreme Court, the conviction becomes final when the 90-day window for seeking certiorari expires — not when the court of appeals issues its decision. Because the direct appeal and post-conviction relief interlock, they should be approached as parts of a single, coherent strategy. An appellate lawyer evaluating a direct appeal also keeps the later stages in view.
How Our Firm Handles Direct Appeals
At Elizabeth Franklin-Best, P.C., direct appeals are not a sideline — they are what we built the firm to do. That record is written in the reported decisions. Beyond Slager in the Fourth Circuit, Franklin-Best was counsel in United States v. Frias, 102 F.4th 98 (2d Cir. 2024), in the court of appeals covering New York, Connecticut, and Vermont, and in United States v. Joseph, 108 F.4th 1273 (10th Cir. 2024), in the circuit covering Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, and Wyoming. Her practice is national in reach but rooted in the Fourth Circuit, where she has handled the largest share of her appeals, and her Best Lawyers in America 2026 listing for Appellate Practice — alongside the firm’s Chambers USA 2026 ranking in Litigation: White-Collar Crime & Government Investigations — reflects years of briefing and arguing federal appeals across the circuits. Her book Reversing Your Criminal Conviction distills that experience for defendants and families. We cite these decisions as evidence of experience and authority, not as a prediction about any case; past results never guarantee a future outcome. That depth shapes how we approach every appeal we take.
Our direct-appeal work includes ensuring the notice of appeal is filed on time, obtaining and mastering the complete record, analyzing any appeal waiver, identifying every viable issue and how it was preserved, matching each issue to its standard of review, writing rigorous and disciplined briefs, presenting oral argument, and pursuing rehearing or certiorari where warranted. We approach the direct appeal as part of a coherent post-conviction strategy. We represent federal defendants nationwide.
For related reading, see our federal criminal appeals overview and our guides to grounds for a federal appeal and the appellate process.
Talk With a Federal Appeals Lawyer
A direct appeal is the first and best chance to have a higher court examine a federal conviction or sentence. It is governed by a strict deadline, and the work of evaluating and building it should begin immediately after sentencing.
We start every appellate matter with a paid, one-hour initial consultation. We will walk through what happened in the district court, flag the deadlines that control your case, and tell you honestly whether we see issues worth fighting for. If you or a family member has just been convicted or sentenced in federal court, do not wait — the 14-day clock is likely already running.
What is a federal direct appeal?
A federal direct appeal is the appeal of a conviction or sentence to the United States Court of Appeals, taken directly from the judgment of the district court. It is the defendant’s appeal as of right — the court of appeals must hear it.
What is the deadline to file a direct appeal?
In a federal criminal case, the notice of appeal must generally be filed in the district court within 14 days after entry of the judgment being appealed. This is a strict deadline, and missing it can forfeit the right to a direct appeal.
What is the notice of appeal?
The notice of appeal is a short document, filed in the district court, that starts the appeal and preserves the right to it. Filing it on time is essential — a defendant unsure whether to appeal should still file it to keep the option open.
What is the record on appeal?
The record on appeal is the complete set of materials from the district court — the transcripts, filings, and exhibits. An appeal is generally confined to the record; issues that depend on facts outside it usually cannot be raised on direct appeal.
Can I appeal if I signed an appeal waiver?
It depends. Most plea agreements include an appeal waiver, and courts generally enforce them if entered knowingly and voluntarily. But waivers have recognized exceptions and a defined scope — analyzing the waiver is one of the first steps in evaluating an appeal after a plea.
What is the difference between preserved and unpreserved error?
A preserved error was raised and objected to in the district court; it receives favorable harmless-error review. An unpreserved error was not raised below; it is reviewed only under the demanding plain-error standard, if it can be raised at all.
What are the standards of review?
Standards of review define how much deference the district court’s decision receives: de novo for questions of law, clear error for findings of fact, abuse of discretion for discretionary rulings, plus harmless error and plain error depending on preservation.
How important is the appellate brief?
It is the most important document in the appeal. Federal appeals are won and lost primarily on the written briefs. A strong brief selects the issues with discipline, presents the record accurately, and argues the law rigorously against each standard of review.
Will there be oral argument?
In many cases, yes. After briefing, the court may schedule oral argument — a focused, time-limited exchange in which the judges question the lawyers. Oral argument is valuable, but the brief remains the foundation of the appeal.
What can a direct appeal accomplish?
The court of appeals may affirm the conviction and sentence, reverse a conviction, or vacate and remand for a new trial, resentencing, or other proceedings. Relief can be complete or partial — for example, affirming a conviction but requiring resentencing.
What happens if I lose the direct appeal?
A losing party may seek rehearing by the panel or the full court en banc, and may petition the United States Supreme Court for review by a writ of certiorari. Certain off-record claims may also be pursued later through a post-conviction motion.
How does the direct appeal relate to a 2255 motion?
The direct appeal handles record-based issues. Off-record claims, such as ineffective assistance of trial counsel, are generally raised later through a 28 U.S.C. § 2255 motion. The two are distinct proceedings, and the conclusion of the direct appeal starts the clock for a 2255 motion.
What is the plain error standard of review in a federal appeal?
Plain error is the standard for issues not raised in the district court. Under United States v. Olano, the appellant must show an error that is clear or obvious, that affected substantial rights, and that seriously affected the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of the proceedings. Greer v. United States confirms that the defendant bears this burden, and relief remains discretionary even when all four parts are met.
What happens if a federal notice of appeal is filed late?
Rule 4(b)(4) lets the district court extend the deadline by up to 30 days for excusable neglect or good cause. Beyond that, the deadline is a claim-processing rule rather than a jurisdictional bar — in January 2026 a Second Circuit panel held that the government can forfeit an untimeliness objection it fails to raise — but when the government does object, courts dismiss the appeal. Treat the 14 days as absolute.
Does my lawyer have to file a notice of appeal if I ask for one?
Yes. Under Garza v. Idaho, counsel who disregards a client’s instruction to file a notice of appeal performs deficiently, and prejudice is presumed — even when the plea agreement contains an appeal waiver. A defendant whose lawyer refused a requested appeal may be entitled to a new one.
What happens at resentencing if I win my federal appeal?
On a general remand, the district court resentences with a clean slate. Under Pepper v. United States, the court may consider post-sentencing rehabilitation — programming, work, education, and conduct in prison — and that evidence can support a sentence below the advisory Guidelines range.
Can I appeal my sentence after pleading guilty in federal court?
Often, yes. A guilty plea does not by itself give up the right to appeal the sentence — that turns on the appeal waiver in the plea agreement. Many waivers preserve the right to challenge an above-Guidelines or otherwise unlawful sentence, and a waiver that was not knowing and voluntary may not be enforced at all. Reviewing the waiver is the first step in deciding whether a sentencing appeal is available.
How long does a federal direct appeal take?
Most federal criminal appeals take roughly a year to eighteen months from the notice of appeal to a decision, though the range is wide. Preparing the transcripts and record, the briefing schedule, whether the court holds oral argument, and the court’s own docket all affect the timeline. A complex case, or one set for argument, can take longer.

